The trinity
Since I attacked oneness it is only fair that I defend the trinity. While it is true that the bible does not use the word "trinity" nor does it directly say "God is three persons in one essence" it does explain God in this way. Oneness theologians say "one means one", yet when it comes to John 17 (read the previous post on oneness for an explanation) they make excuses. So here are some scriptures that explain the correct view.
First two verses that name them separately. Before I get started here I want to explain the definite article "the". here is a definition.
The definite article is generally used to indicate a specific thing or set of things (e.g. "the book" as opposed to "a book," etc). There is also an important reflexive use of the definite article, in which it is used in a reflexive sense to indicate someone or something that belongs to, has some relation to, or is a physical part of the subject (e.g. when the Greek literally says "the boy reads the book," it may actually mean "the boy reads his book"). The context will determine when the definite article is being used in this reflexive sense.
So with this in mind, let's go through these verses.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
There are three things or persons here. Three bear record. The Father, The Word, The Holy Ghost. Not the Father who becomes the Word but the Word. As in there are many things generically called the word but this is the Word.
When we get to John 1 this will become very important.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
In this verse we need to look at the sentence structure. Lets say I asked for a cup of coffee, cream and sugar. A waiter would get me a cup of coffee with cream and sugar in it. Now let's say I asked for a cup of the coffee, a cup of the cream, and a cup of the sugar. If they did not bring me three cups they would be fired. In the previous verse the term "in the name" is implied before each title. So instead of "in the name of the Father,Son,And Holy Ghost" it is "in the name of the Father, and in the name of the Son, and in the name of the Holy Ghost". Three separate commands, three separate persons. To explain this clearer, I want to get into John 1.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
When the article "the" is used, it indicates a specific thing. When it is not used, it does the opposite. There is no indefinite article. Let's say I said "in a beginning was a word". You would have no idea when this beginning was nor who this word was. Now in context of the Bible, do we know when the beginning is? Gen 1:1 tells us the beginning was when God created. So creation is the context of beginning. Also the Word is Christ in context. Now in the Greek "the" is not before beginning in this verse. So beginning does not mean creation here but it means beginning. When is that? We don't know. But we do know "the" is before Word. So the word spoken about here is the Word. not a concept or something that existed in God's mind, but the Word. How do I know? Because the Word was πρός (with) God. Here is the definition of the greek translated "with".
πρός
pros
pros
A strengthened form of G4253; a preposition of direction; forward to, that is, toward (with the genitive case the side of, that is, pertaining to; with the dative case by the side of, that is, near to; usually with the accusative case the place, time, occasion, or respect, which is the destination of the relation, that is, whither or for which it is predicated): - about, according to, against, among, at, because of, before, between, ([where-]) by, for, X at thy house, in, for intent, nigh unto, of, which pertain to, that, to (the end that), + together, to ([you]) -ward, unto, with (-in). In compounds it denotes essentially the same applications, namely, motion towards, accession to, or nearness at.
So the Word was face to face with God, not in his mind. The Word exsisted in a beginning we don't know face to face with the Father. Really simple if we look at what the word is saying instead of reading our own doctrine into it.
Now Hebrews 1. I will go through these verses and put notes in them.
Heb 1:1 God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
God is speaking here about his Son. This is important to understand so we can read this passage in context.
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Express image in the greek is charakter, which means exact copy. The other word translated "image" when it refers to Christ is eikon which means likeness. So he is not the Father, but an exact copy of him. When you make a copy of a paper you do not have one but two pages. They are just identical. Also the Son here sits at the right hand of God. You can sit by yourself but you cannot sit beside yourself. Of course you can be beside yourself with worry....
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Christ was not an angel. That being said, what is meant by begotten? God did not mate with Mary. So is it possible that Christ already exsisted and he "became" the Son? When I married my wife she had three sons. They became my sons. Remember God was speaking to the Son here telling him he was begotten.
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Let all the Angels worship him. Not worship the Father through him or worship the Father in him, but worship him. Worship the Son. Worship him because he is God.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
The Father himself just called the Son God. This destroys any theory that the Son has a human spirit. It also means that Father and Son are having a conversation. That requires two unless your crazy.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
God calls him Lord and says The Son created.
Heb 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
There is more ground to cover that I dont have time for here. So here is a verse list I made so you can study this.
Proverbs 8,Psa 33:6,
I cut and pasted this for a study.
The F., S., & H.S. are each called God (F., Phil. 1:2), (S., John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9), (H.S., Acts 5:3-4). Each has a will (F., Luke 22:42), (S., Luke 22:42), H.S., (1 Cor. 12:11). Each is all knowing (F., 1 John 3:20), (S., John 16:30; 21:17), (H.S., 1 Cor. 2:10-11), Each speaks (F., Matt. 3:17), (S., Luke 5:20., (HS., Acts 8:29; 13:2).
Tuesday, November 4, 2008
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